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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.18 17:19:23 -
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Moth Eisig wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote: There needs to be new meaningful PVE content in this game.
Out of everything wrong with Eve, it's pretty telling that you think this is the most important. The one thing CCP has told us that is actively detrimental to positive retention, not to mention faux "content" that is trivialized within days of being released(as all PvE content is), and apparently we need to waste dev time on more of it. If you want a game without PvE go play World of Tanks.
No one wants a game without PvE you dolt. What people want is a PvP sandbox game to remain PvP oriented. When devs have to create PvE content it removes cycles from actually improving what makes the game good.
PvP.
We, as players, create that content. Guess what? We use PvE to do it. Miners, autopiloters, missioners... they're all PvP content doing their PvE. We all need PvE in the game but we don't need any further development spent on it. It would be pointless to have a 6 month dev cycle for new incursion like PvE only to have them mastered and trivliazed in a week.
Pointless waste of effort and money. Keep the game strong where it needs to be and people will continue to play. PvE is not where it needs to be strong.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.18 17:28:29 -
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Moth Eisig wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Moth Eisig wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote: There needs to be new meaningful PVE content in this game.
Out of everything wrong with Eve, it's pretty telling that you think this is the most important. The one thing CCP has told us that is actively detrimental to positive retention, not to mention faux "content" that is trivialized within days of being released(as all PvE content is), and apparently we need to waste dev time on more of it. If you want a game without PvE go play World of Tanks. No one wants a game without PvE you dolt. What people want is a PvP sandbox game to remain PvP oriented. When devs have to create PvE content it removes cycles from actually improving what makes the game good. PvP. We, as players, create that content. Guess what? We use PvE to do it. Miners, autopiloters, missioners... they're all PvP content doing their PvE. We all need PvE in the game but we don't need any further development spent on it. It would be pointless to have a 6 month dev cycle for new incursion like PvE only to have them mastered and trivliazed in a week. Pointless waste of effort and money. Keep the game strong where it needs to be and people will continue to play. PvE is not where it needs to be strong. So the game needs PvE, but we should actively work toward keeping it so bad that no one wants to do it and that even people who like PvE in games get driven away by how boring it is?
Way to inject words that were not typed.
Actively working toward making PvE bad != wasting cycles on it any longer. If the PvE in Eve is so boring that it drives you away, good-*******-bye. We don't want or need that type of player in Eve.
Create your own goddamned content. That is the point of this game. Quit relying on the devs to do it.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.18 17:32:47 -
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Moth Eisig wrote:words words words
Okay, you're just dense. Actively making it bad would be intentionally wasting precious dev time on PvE when anything else needs balancing.
The PvE in Eve is bad, yes. It has no need to be good. That's what you need to understand. If you're here for the PvE content, you are indeed playing Eve Online wrong.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.18 17:47:28 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote: I hate to break it to you but this game is not based on PVP
CCP disagrees. CCP knows the marketing well. But everything in this game revolves around healthy PVE. Territory to fight over, Mining to get materials to build ships, Ratting to get bling mods to sell to missioners who use it for isk to buy more ships and bling. PVE drives the game, PVP makes it possible to PVE or makes the PVE more important/necessary. Balance
No, you're wrong.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.18 17:52:16 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote: CCP knows the marketing well.
They actually don't, because for the average player, the game does not live up to the marketing. People come here because of the gratuitous space battles, and they show up to find Farmville in Space, because that's what the PvE-centric highsec based NPE leads them into. Hell, mining is arguably worse than Farmville, at least Farmville makes you talk to other people now and then. It's no wonder they quit in such huge numbers.
Yep.
PvP keeps people playing. PvE drives them away.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.22 18:00:07 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I think that less people are online because there is longer skill queues. I also think less people want to play EVE.
So.... the point to playing Eve is watching your skillqueue shorten and when you have an 18d skill... you don't play?
No wonder Eve is dying.
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:08:25 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I think that less people are online because there is longer skill queues. I also think less people want to play EVE. So.... the point to playing Eve is watching your skillqueue shorten and when you have an 18d skill... you don't play? No wonder Eve is dying. Did you never log in a character to add something to the skill cue, then notice a fleet or something else you could do, so stay logged in and create content for you and others? Unlimited skill cues means many players aren't logging in as regularly and so are not looking for or adding to content.I was recently asked by a 3 day old account holder - Is it always this small (21K online, US prime time), is it worth playing a space game that is so big with so little players? New players and old alike look at how many are actively online - If the numbers are too low and it seems there might be nothing to do - They go play something else.
Got any proof of that seriously outlandish claim?
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Freya Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.22 19:17:15 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I think that less people are online because there is longer skill queues. I also think less people want to play EVE. So.... the point to playing Eve is watching your skillqueue shorten and when you have an 18d skill... you don't play? No wonder Eve is dying. Did you never log in a character to add something to the skill cue, then notice a fleet or something else you could do, so stay logged in and create content for you and others? Unlimited skill cues means many players aren't logging in as regularly and so are not looking for or adding to content.I was recently asked by a 3 day old account holder - Is it always this small (21K online, US prime time), is it worth playing a space game that is so big with so little players? New players and old alike look at how many are actively online - If the numbers are too low and it seems there might be nothing to do - They go play something else. Got any proof of that seriously outlandish claim? There is no way to prove that people are using the unlimited queues and never logging in either. CCP doesn't give us sub numbers anymore, ever since they stopped growing about 3 years ago. Someone did the math on their corporate reports and matched their reported numbers with income and came to the conclusion that CCP is down 18% from 2013 to the end of 2014 (Riptard). http://nosygamer.blogspot.com/2015/03/how-many-subscriptions-does-eve-online.html But, again, we don't know either way. Skill queuing forever does suggest people plan on coming back in the future, but since we aren't seeing that it would be safe to assume the number of accounts skilling to eternity is probably small.
Then perhaps folks should stop using them as bullet points to their arguments.
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Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2015.07.13 15:51:42 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:So why do these people need it easier than the tens of thousands before them? They don't. They also don't need to play a game. At all. They prefer to play a game, and several aspects determine which game they choose to play. These days there are many more choices of what to play. Eve needs to adapt to this new environment, or suffer the consequences.
More like the players need to adapt to Eve or they can **** right off. Eve does not need nor should change to appease a playerbase that is best suited elsewhere.
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Freya Sertan
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2015.07.13 16:12:43 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Freya Sertan wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Angelica Dreamstar wrote:So why do these people need it easier than the tens of thousands before them? They don't. They also don't need to play a game. At all. They prefer to play a game, and several aspects determine which game they choose to play. These days there are many more choices of what to play. Eve needs to adapt to this new environment, or suffer the consequences. More like the players need to adapt to Eve or they can **** right off. Eve does not need nor should change to appease a playerbase that is best suited elsewhere. Then who pays for the servers to stay up? You?
Yes. I pay a monthly fee to access CCPs game servers.
New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.
Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
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